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	<title>Comments on: Do We Need a Simpler RSS?</title>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
		<link>http://www.crosbygroup.ca/blog/2008/12/08/do-we-need-a-simpler-rss/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm loving this discussion, folks! And all of the ideas it has generated. 

Nick, your vision of a new browser/reader is a good one. 

Andrea, not to worry. My inspiration for this post came while you were busy with the LeWeb conference. Who knew it would hit such a nerve? I would love your additional take on all of this. I think there is lots of thinking/discussion still to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m loving this discussion, folks! And all of the ideas it has generated. </p>
<p>Nick, your vision of a new browser/reader is a good one. </p>
<p>Andrea, not to worry. My inspiration for this post came while you were busy with the LeWeb conference. Who knew it would hit such a nerve? I would love your additional take on all of this. I think there is lots of thinking/discussion still to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea Vascellari</title>
		<link>http://www.crosbygroup.ca/blog/2008/12/08/do-we-need-a-simpler-rss/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea Vascellari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a nice conversation!

First thing: sorry if I couldn't join the conversation before but I had a reeeally intense time during and after LeWeb.

Tons of inspiring things on this page, which basically means that I will probably record another episode about RSS.
I'll link back to you and to this post Connie ;)

Keep up the great work!

Andrea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a nice conversation!</p>
<p>First thing: sorry if I couldn&#8217;t join the conversation before but I had a reeeally intense time during and after LeWeb.</p>
<p>Tons of inspiring things on this page, which basically means that I will probably record another episode about RSS.<br />
I&#8217;ll link back to you and to this post Connie <img src='http://www.crosbygroup.ca/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Keep up the great work!</p>
<p>Andrea</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Holmes</title>
		<link>http://www.crosbygroup.ca/blog/2008/12/08/do-we-need-a-simpler-rss/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's needed are autofeedreaders built into browsers, which would remove all the management obstacles - something like this.

When I open my browser the default behaviour is to open a MyFeeds tab ("behind" my home page tab).

This page is an aggregation of the most recent x items from the feeds linked in my y most visited pages with autodiscover links - displayed in classic reader style. This immediately satisfies the majority who do not currently know how to subscribe to and manage feeds.

For the curious and power users, there is also a prominent Manage My Feeds button which allows us to change the default settings, group the feeds etc, or to specify a preferred alternative reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s needed are autofeedreaders built into browsers, which would remove all the management obstacles - something like this.</p>
<p>When I open my browser the default behaviour is to open a MyFeeds tab (&#8221;behind&#8221; my home page tab).</p>
<p>This page is an aggregation of the most recent x items from the feeds linked in my y most visited pages with autodiscover links - displayed in classic reader style. This immediately satisfies the majority who do not currently know how to subscribe to and manage feeds.</p>
<p>For the curious and power users, there is also a prominent Manage My Feeds button which allows us to change the default settings, group the feeds etc, or to specify a preferred alternative reader.</p>
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		<title>By: RSS and The Masses &#124; blogcampaigning</title>
		<link>http://www.crosbygroup.ca/blog/2008/12/08/do-we-need-a-simpler-rss/#comment-371</link>
		<dc:creator>RSS and The Masses &#124; blogcampaigning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more on RSS, I suggest you read this blog post by Ed Lee and this one by Connie Crosby about the need for simpler [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] more on RSS, I suggest you read this blog post by Ed Lee and this one by Connie Crosby about the need for simpler [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Roddy MacLeod</title>
		<link>http://www.crosbygroup.ca/blog/2008/12/08/do-we-need-a-simpler-rss/#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>Roddy MacLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you search Google for "what is rss" you get more than 8 million hits.  This shows, I believe, that an awful lot of effort has been going into telling people about RSS, and yet, as a recent Forrester report pointed out ( http://www.forrester.com/Research/Document/Excerpt/0,7211,47150,00.html ) RSS hasn't, and will not, become mainstream.  

Yet RSS is very useful.  One solution is to use RSS in other ways as a 'behind-the-scenes' service.  For example, I found this discussion through LibWorm http://www.libworm.com/  Another example - the ticTOCs Journal Tables of Contents Service http://www.tictocs.ac.uk which ingests RSS, but you don't need to know the fisrt thing about RSS in order to find, view and keep up-to-date with journal Tables of Contents.
RSS can be a tool.  We don't need to force it down people's throats as a techniques.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you search Google for &#8220;what is rss&#8221; you get more than 8 million hits.  This shows, I believe, that an awful lot of effort has been going into telling people about RSS, and yet, as a recent Forrester report pointed out ( <a href="http://www.forrester.com/Research/Document/Excerpt/0,7211,47150,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forrester.com/Research/Document/Excerpt/0,7211,47150,00.html</a> ) RSS hasn&#8217;t, and will not, become mainstream.  </p>
<p>Yet RSS is very useful.  One solution is to use RSS in other ways as a &#8216;behind-the-scenes&#8217; service.  For example, I found this discussion through LibWorm <a href="http://www.libworm.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.libworm.com/</a>  Another example - the ticTOCs Journal Tables of Contents Service <a href="http://www.tictocs.ac.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.tictocs.ac.uk</a> which ingests RSS, but you don&#8217;t need to know the fisrt thing about RSS in order to find, view and keep up-to-date with journal Tables of Contents.<br />
RSS can be a tool.  We don&#8217;t need to force it down people&#8217;s throats as a techniques.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaunna Mireau</title>
		<link>http://www.crosbygroup.ca/blog/2008/12/08/do-we-need-a-simpler-rss/#comment-326</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaunna Mireau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is the benefits gained by monitoring the web through syndication that is the mountain, not the functionality of RSS channel creation or feed readers. Connie and Steve and all of those commenting above have lifted us all a few more feet up the slope.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the benefits gained by monitoring the web through syndication that is the mountain, not the functionality of RSS channel creation or feed readers. Connie and Steve and all of those commenting above have lifted us all a few more feet up the slope.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://www.crosbygroup.ca/blog/2008/12/08/do-we-need-a-simpler-rss/#comment-325</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that there are two categories of problems mentioned: explanation and implementation.

At the moment, the feed button is just this unexplained orange square in the UI. What does it do? Nobody knows. So a little bit of education is necessary about the point and, unfortunately, a little education is needed about how to get a reader (although I believe IE7 has one built in, I can't confirm that).

You probably can't get this education done in a single word. Maybe not even in a single sentence. Two sentences? Maybe. A series of pictures? Even better. Ditching RSS as a term is a good idea. RSS is a single technology, not the concept (for example, Atom does the same thing). The user doesn't need to know the format of the feed.

"Enjoy this blog? Hate having to check for updates yourself? Feeds let you read the latest updates on all your favourite sites in one place. Click the unexplained orange square or learn more."

As for implementation, I'm not sure it could get much simpler than it is in Firefox: click the orange square, choose your reader from the dropdown, click Subscribe. The Firefox implementation could be laid out a little better (I'd rather have a list than a dropdown) but it's otherwise almost easy as can be. I think that whatever you do to the implementation, the subscription part should involve only the browser and the reader and only clicking (no copy &#38; paste, typing or dragging unless you're trying to do something special).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that there are two categories of problems mentioned: explanation and implementation.</p>
<p>At the moment, the feed button is just this unexplained orange square in the UI. What does it do? Nobody knows. So a little bit of education is necessary about the point and, unfortunately, a little education is needed about how to get a reader (although I believe IE7 has one built in, I can&#8217;t confirm that).</p>
<p>You probably can&#8217;t get this education done in a single word. Maybe not even in a single sentence. Two sentences? Maybe. A series of pictures? Even better. Ditching RSS as a term is a good idea. RSS is a single technology, not the concept (for example, Atom does the same thing). The user doesn&#8217;t need to know the format of the feed.</p>
<p>&#8220;Enjoy this blog? Hate having to check for updates yourself? Feeds let you read the latest updates on all your favourite sites in one place. Click the unexplained orange square or learn more.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for implementation, I&#8217;m not sure it could get much simpler than it is in Firefox: click the orange square, choose your reader from the dropdown, click Subscribe. The Firefox implementation could be laid out a little better (I&#8217;d rather have a list than a dropdown) but it&#8217;s otherwise almost easy as can be. I think that whatever you do to the implementation, the subscription part should involve only the browser and the reader and only clicking (no copy &amp; paste, typing or dragging unless you&#8217;re trying to do something special).</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Varnum</title>
		<link>http://www.crosbygroup.ca/blog/2008/12/08/do-we-need-a-simpler-rss/#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Varnum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I explain RSS to people, I always use the "syndication" part of the name as the main point:  Think about the wire services most of us (over 30, anyway) are familiar with:  The Associated Press, Reuters, etc.  Their business was traditionally to take news stories and send them to other publications that actually printed them.  Everyone recognized a "wire story" as one written by someone other than the local paper's reporters.  RSS feeds are very similar, whatever the name you call them by.  As a creator of RSS feeds (through a blog, Twitter, or whatever else), you are allowing others to make use of your "news."  As a consumer, you are finding the "syndicates" that you like and signing up to be told what's new.

As Steve Matthews notes, tools that librarians can use to set up high-value feeds for our patrons help make the case.  For example, using Yahoo Pipes to pull together a set of feeds -- and filtering it for specific keywords -- for a patron is relatively easy for the expert and of great benefit to the user.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I explain RSS to people, I always use the &#8220;syndication&#8221; part of the name as the main point:  Think about the wire services most of us (over 30, anyway) are familiar with:  The Associated Press, Reuters, etc.  Their business was traditionally to take news stories and send them to other publications that actually printed them.  Everyone recognized a &#8220;wire story&#8221; as one written by someone other than the local paper&#8217;s reporters.  RSS feeds are very similar, whatever the name you call them by.  As a creator of RSS feeds (through a blog, Twitter, or whatever else), you are allowing others to make use of your &#8220;news.&#8221;  As a consumer, you are finding the &#8220;syndicates&#8221; that you like and signing up to be told what&#8217;s new.</p>
<p>As Steve Matthews notes, tools that librarians can use to set up high-value feeds for our patrons help make the case.  For example, using Yahoo Pipes to pull together a set of feeds &#8212; and filtering it for specific keywords &#8212; for a patron is relatively easy for the expert and of great benefit to the user.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
		<link>http://www.crosbygroup.ca/blog/2008/12/08/do-we-need-a-simpler-rss/#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I mentioned in my post, I think you have put together some great examples for us of practical uses for feeds, Steve. I use some of them in my teaching when I go to show people how these can be used other than reading them in readers. Keep up the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I mentioned in my post, I think you have put together some great examples for us of practical uses for feeds, Steve. I use some of them in my teaching when I go to show people how these can be used other than reading them in readers. Keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Matthews</title>
		<link>http://www.crosbygroup.ca/blog/2008/12/08/do-we-need-a-simpler-rss/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The name has always been easy to critique, but the concept of subscribing to information is as old as your local newspaper. Sometimes I think if we could focus on the word 'subscribe', things could be much easier. 

Showing RSS has always been easier than explaining it. At least that's been my experience. I've always had more luck crafting a small pre-made collection of feeds, and handing off a seeded reader than, than trying to persuade someone of the value to their lives. 

Just some thoughts, anyway. Great post Connie, I'm glad to see such an active conversation stream on the topic. Very cool. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name has always been easy to critique, but the concept of subscribing to information is as old as your local newspaper. Sometimes I think if we could focus on the word &#8217;subscribe&#8217;, things could be much easier. </p>
<p>Showing RSS has always been easier than explaining it. At least that&#8217;s been my experience. I&#8217;ve always had more luck crafting a small pre-made collection of feeds, and handing off a seeded reader than, than trying to persuade someone of the value to their lives. </p>
<p>Just some thoughts, anyway. Great post Connie, I&#8217;m glad to see such an active conversation stream on the topic. Very cool. <img src='http://www.crosbygroup.ca/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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